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Largest City???

Are you sure that Juneau is the largest city in the US as far as land area? I think Sitka, Alaska is, and its article certainly thinks so as well. Nationalparks 21:29, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Sitka City and Borough encompasses all of Baranoff Island, and is the largest incorporated area; however, the actual City of Sitka covers only a very small portion of that area. Juneau's city boundaries extend much further, to the point that I think it can be considered the largest city without being the largest incorporated area.--Lordkinbote 23:06, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

actually not only does sitka include all of baranof islan it also includes southern chichagof island. acording to this wikipedia sitka is slightly larger in land area. you might be right in that the incorperated part of the borough of sitka is smaller. on my year 2000 delorme state atlas map theres a small boundary surounding just the central city it marks the national forest boundary. its very possible that the incorporated part of sitka is not the whole county even though youd think that. this is tru for juneau its land area also includes some of this tongras national forest region too so both of you are right you both have dirrent difinitions of the incorporated areas. 76.244.155.36 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The opening paragraph states that Juneau is the second largest city in the US by area. The Geography section says it is the third largest. Which is it? --Mfwills (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Geography section is wrong. It says the largest is Yakutat City and Borough; however, that article tells us that, despite the name ("City And Borough" usually indicating a unified municipality, like Juneau), Yakutat is "just" a borough and not actually a unified municipality. This is equivalent to a county in other states, and should not be deemed the largest municipality by area. I think the Geography is wrong; it's Sitka and then Juneau (and then Wrangell). dcsohl^talk 17:28, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Capital of Alaska?

Is Juneau the capital of Alaska? or isn't it? Why isn't there anything about the state government that's located here? Some mention of the capitol building, the state legislature, the governor's mansion... something would be notable. On the surface, this article has the flavor of a "typical" Alaskan town than anything else. —MicahBrwn (talk) 06:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's is, but maybe not for long... L'Aquatique[parlez] 15:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying there's a movement afoot to move the capital of Alaska to some other city? Source? Google came up with zippo. The closest thing I found was something from three years ago; in response to efforts to revamp or build a new Capitol Building. (http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15936) —MicahBrwn (talk) 07:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's already some information in the article about capitol creep, the FRANK initiative, etc. L'Aquatique[parlez] 01:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There have been at least seven or eight statewide votes related to the capital move issue, the first being in 1960. That you're in disbelief about that based solely upon a Google search is not at all surprising. In general, the development of this article has shown little regard for WP:NOTTRAVELGUIDE and is still badly in need of input from actual locals. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 02:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Umm,YEAH!! I grew up there from 1989-1999. And, it was always the capitol. I don't believe they will ever move the capitol. They may have tried to move the capitol, several times, but it always fails. Juneau is a perfect place for the capitol, in my opinion! Erinlovesherkids (talk) 11:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Capital ≠ capitol. Tuvalkin (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

History of this page

During the alasken gold rush,a lot of prospostors came home with small foturns.

What's a foturn and where I can get one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.175.171 (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Missing

B-Class criteria says no obvious omissions. I would call no mention of the A-J Mine (or even the Treadwell Mine) an obvious omission. I'll see what I can do.RadioKAOS (talk) 12:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Language Demographics

I've deleted this content:

15.1% reported speaking Tlingit at home, 5.1% Inupiaq...

This is not supported by the reference cited. Tlingit is an endangered language spoken by fewer than 1000 people in Alaska; the MLA shows 300+ speakers in Juneau. Inupiaq does not register any speakers in Juneau.

http://www.mla.org/map_data_results&state_id=2&place_id=36400&cty_id= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.212.40 (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fliptown

Fliptown and Fliptown, Alaska currently redirect to Juneau and are being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 1#Fliptown. Your comments there would be most welcome. Thryduulf (talk) 15:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did Someone Vandalize The Climate Section?

I’m not sure but somebody changed a lot of information on the Climate Section 1) They changed Juneau To Subarctic Subarctic 2) Maximum Temp says 88 instead of 90 3) 1,400 Hours of Annual Sunshine instead of 1500 4)The Average Monthly Temperatures for many months are wrong. 5) Winters and Summers seem to list colder temperatures.

I'm not sure what else is wrong. Please do let me know.

Are these changes correct or did somebody screw it up.

Please comment

Well nobody commented for a few days so I just reverted it back since I assumed it was Vandalism

99.104.175.147 (talk) 23:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a while, after I reverted your edits, to see what you meant. I was coming back to fix it when I saw you had already done so. NameIsRon (talk) 23:38, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What does this sentence mean? "If considered the average temperature of January, 32 °F (0 °C), instead of another Juneau isotherm falls in a warm summer humid continental climate (Dfb for the Köppen classification), but with strong oceanic influences although moderate by the several islands that surround the city." I don't get it. Ds77 (talk) 05:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Transportation

I think the blurb about Juneau not being serviced by a freeway along with those other state capitols is irrelevant. The US has a history of making small towns into capitols so that's not that noteworthy. I think "it's the only state capitol not serviced by a road leading out" is much more interesting and noteworthy, not being serviced by a freeway would also be implied in that statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.80.110 (talk) 17:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I question its accuracy, perhaps someone can't count? which interstate serves Honolulu? Jasen betts (talk) 06:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware, juridicially, Honolulu comprises the entire island of Oahu, just like Juneau has substantial corporate limits but a much, much smaller urban core. I don't have a good map handy, but it appears that Interstate H-1 runs right through downtown Honolulu. There's also Interstate H-2, Interstate H-3 and Interstate H-201 on the island. Something that's not only perhaps interesting to readers, but also quite relevant to the topic of Juneau, is that Egan Drive at Sunny Point/Switzer Creek is the location of the only interchange for hundreds and hundreds of miles in any direction. Since our coverage of Juneau hasn't progressed much beyond being about the parts of town the tourists see, who knows when that will ever be acknowledged. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was taking "interstate" literally, and was unaware of the accepted meaning, sorry for creating noise.Jasen betts (talk) 12:25, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update needed (sooner or later)

Was looking for something on the Empire website just now. Someone created an article on the mayoral election about six months too early and it was deleted. For whatever reason, no one else stepped up to recreate the article at the appropriate time. Bottom line, from the Empire article I'm reading, Bruce Botelho is not running for reelection (or may be term-limited?). Just in case anyone can update/correct things before I ever get around to it (which in my case, won't be until after the election's over, or who knows when, whichever comes first).RadioKAOS (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

US State Capital

≠Every other US State Capital in the United States is included under the cat "Category:States Capitals in the United States". Juneau should be no different. While the cat was deleted previously using Hotcat, please be careful. If we are going to have that cat, and I believe we should, then we need to list Juneau along with Austin, TX., Charleston, WV., Sacramento, CA., etc. Thanks! AlaskaMike (talk) 20:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NM, my bad. Please disregard. AlaskaMike (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

City rankings

I've noticed that for Fairbanks, Alaska and this page, the rankings of the cities by population has flipped with Fairbanks in third and Juneau in second. I haven't found the sources tied to the 2012 estimates indicated as the cause of this flip. I'm not N:PoV as a Fairbanksan and have refrained from corrections other than spelling corrections on it's page. I'd like someone to cite the sources of this flip, or make edits reverting the population rankings to those of the 2010 Census, which ranks the cities in order: Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that the state labor department publishes yearly estimates if the Census Bureau doesn't. I was glancing just the other day at my copy of the 2014 Municipal Officials Directory, and the population figures given for each municipality were estimates and not census figures (it is, after all, nearly five years later). So sources do exist. Expecting Google to hand it to you may not be the best approach to obtaining those sources, however. Look at the thread in this talk page's archive where someone declares "Why, my Google search doesn't tell me anything about a capital move" in 2008, when the issue first appeared on a statewide ballot nearly a half-century prior in 1960 (and at least a half-dozen times since), for an example of what I mean.

Juneau was ahead of Fairbanks in the 2000 Census, too. I contend that the real issue here is one of using black and white as a basis to distort reality. Let me explain. Juneau, as well as Anchorage, Sitka and Wrangell, are unified municipalities. That means that in each case, the corporate limits of the municipality includes the central city, all of its suburbs and thousands of square miles of wilderness. You say you live in Fairbanks, so obviously you understand that this isn't the case with Fairbanks, the city, as opposed to other perceptions of what Fairbanks is (some of which include my residence, which is 21 miles from Fairbanks city limits).

I may have more to say. Right now, though, it's time to get back to my real world obligations. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True, it was ranked higher in 2000. I'm looking for the source of the 2012 estimates. I'm guessing its somewhere in the Alaska state website, but I'm having some navigation difficulties. Also, the statements on both pages don't match the list in the page List of cities and census-designated places in Alaska.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 00:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Fisk

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015, Greg Fisk was passed the torch as mayor of Juneau. I noted that in the Info Box, with a reference. Greg Fisk has his own Wikipedia page, which I would encourage everyone to read. Enjoy! Juneau Mike (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Curiously enough, the Juneau Empire story of his death is shown to be posted at 7:00 pm, the exact same time the regular assembly meeting was scheduled to begin tonight, of which that would undoubtedly be a topic of concern. I don't do Twitter, do any of their reporters tweet from the meetings like the reporters do where I live? At any rate, there's a high likelihood that an acting mayor will be selected tonight. Someone should keep an eye out in case I don't feel like coming back to it. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"No foul play"

Now that this is over and done with, here's some FACTS about Juneau and its mayor:

The position of mayor of the City and Borough of Juneau is ceremonial. The mayor's primary role is to chair assembly meetings, which makes it akin to the chairman of the board rather than the CEO of a corporation. CBJ fulfills the latter role with a manager. The 2015 Alaska Municipal Officials Directory, p. 8, mentions that CBJ employs a manager form of government and the manager is listed at the top of the listing of key CBJ staff. This has been the case for at least three or four decades: the 1977 Alaska Blue Book, p. 154, lists mayor W(illiam). D. Overstreet, followed by manager M(al). B. Winegar, followed by the school superintendent. Even though Overstreet very much enjoyed a reputation for being a take-charge kind of guy as mayor, the simple fact is that he didn't actually run the show. Neither did Merrill Sanford. Neither did Greg Fisk. Etc., etc., etc.
The CBJ is the SIXTH-most populous municipality in Alaska, per 2010 Census figures. CBJ has crept ahead of the city of Fairbanks in various year-to-year tallies, but that still places it at only fifth, plus you have to contend with editors eager to tell you that estimates don't matter, only official census figures. This business of cherry-picking sources to state "Alaska's second-largest city" is rah-rah boosterism of the worst sort, running completely afoul of WP:NPOV. A unified municipality, which combines urban and suburban areas with thousands of square miles of wilderness, cannot reasonably be compared to a city with traditional corporate limits, where the majority of the community's population may reside within adjacent census-designated places rather than within actual corporate limits (which is the case with both Fairbanks and Wasilla). Elsewhere in the world, these sort of comparisons tend to be readily dismissed as "apples and oranges".
Of the more populous municipalities in Alaska, only the mayor of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough is not the chief executive of the municipality. The MSB contains over three times the population of the CBJ, and Vern Halter has other claims to notability besides having been elected to a particular office, claims that really can't be made in the cases of Sanford and Fisk. Oh yeah, there's also the Kenai Peninsula Borough, whose mayor served in the state house for 12 years, and whose mayor's office is located in a building named in honor of his father. No possible indication of notability, you say? It's really a matter of priorities.

So, in all this to-do over Greg Fisk, it's far too obvious that big corporate media and various Wikipedia editors have literally made a Mount Juneau out of a Starr Hill, no pun intended (I'm generally pretty serious whenever I see Wikipedia embodying "The Emperor's New Clothes"). Lacking any of the speculated foul play, what I see here is the William Henry Harrison of this office, except that there's an obvious world of difference between the POTUS and the mayor of Juneau. Speaking of Starr Hill, did it ever occur to anyone that "Kennedy Street" probably doesn't mean a whole lot to anyone not acquainted with Juneau? There's also the article Fries Miners' Cabins, but it's unclear whether that includes Fisk's home.

I'll come back to this if/when needed. Kudzu1 appeared very confident that Mary Becker is mayor, but didn't enlighten us as to what part of CBJ code made what clear. At any rate, it's a primary source. The best available third-party source, the Juneau Empire stories, paint a more accurate picture, as reflected in Davidwr's edit summary, that Becker is ACTING mayor (big difference between that and a duly elected mayor, BTW) and that a special election may or may not be held to complete the term. And what's with all the redlinks to Becker, anyway? What I just detailed about Sanford and Fisk applies to her, too. It's really a bad joke to see people all wrapped up in whomever the current mayor happens to be, all the while ignoring historically important figures such as Overstreet, Ben Stewart and J. J. Connors. HELLO??!??! THIS IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA. WE'RE NOT HERE TO PROVIDE FREE SOCIAL MEDIA HOSTING TO THESE PEOPLE (which is precisely how politicians tend to treat Wikipedia)!!!! RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:40, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this rant doesn't really merit a response, but I will note that this recent Juneau Empire story refers to Becker as being the mayor of Juneau: [1] Also, the relevant section of CBJ code is Part I, Article III, Section 3.9: [2] The mayoral seat will likely be up for election next year but a special election may or may not be held; it wasn't when Byron Mallott resigned and Dennis Egan became mayor, but the exact details have yet to be decided: [3] [4] -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:53, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've read and heard plenty enough about this rather insignificant figurehead position (hey, at least the mayor probably has more real-life power than the "General Manager of Monday Night Raw") the past few days, the vast majority of which screams "slow news day" (or in the case of some news outlets, a desperate search for the next boogeyman until San Bernardino came along to save them). My read of the special election is that Jesse Kiehl wants it because he's a candidate. BTW, for those of you who ARE in this to gratuitously puff up whomever happens to be the current holder of a particular office, you may wish to know about this. The entire purpose of the draftspace thus far has been to bury content before it has any chance to develop into real articles, no matter how notable the topic, so you just may need someone who's paying attention to bring it to your attention.

"Most of this rant doesn't really merit a response". Heh. So Wikipedia is a game of Monopoly? "GO TO TONE: Go directly to Tone. Do not acknowledge Facts. Do not collect $200.". Also, I love how you pick out one Empire story which may refer to Becker as mayor without the prefix "acting" and categorically discard any other Empire stories which do make such a reference. Did you also suppose that readers aren't capable of seeing right through that? Anyway, your mention of Mallott and Egan is very telling. Are people so hellbent on wasting everyone's time with this because it's the mayor of a state capitol, or because Mallott and Egan are former holders of the office and those two obviously have sugar daddies among the community of editors? If you bother to look at the facts I presented, there is no other reasonable explanation. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:12, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How many Empire articles about Mary Becker do you think there have been since Fisk died and she assumed the duties of mayor as provided by city code? And speaking of WP:TONE, yours. It's not great. Cool off and argue politely and rationally, or else deal with my disdain. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Becker is the mayor, not the "acting" mayor

Although several news sources initially described her as "acting" mayor, the city/borough charter says The deputy mayor shall succeed to the office of mayor when a vacancy occurs in that office.

Thank-you to Kudzu1 for updating the article. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:06, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The city website also describes her explicitly as the mayor, as do more recent news articles. The office will be up for election again next October. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll avoid another dissertation on how that may amount to a hair-splitting exercise. More on point, that same CBJ website describes how the municipality is actually run by the city manager and that the mayor is actually the presiding officer of the assembly, a point which has been so aggressively avoided, it suggests that we're out to deliberately mislead readers. Where I live, not only is John Davies the presiding officer of the assembly for a municipality that's over three times more populous than the CBJ, but he previously served in the state house for a decade and was the state seismologist prior to that. A resume like that begs the question of why I should care about Mary Becker and how the amount of attention given to her could be anything other than POV forking. This same argument can be applied to the inordinate amount of attention given to Stubbs the cat, "mayor" of a place which isn't even a legally incorporated municipality. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 16:55, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that most American cities have council-manager systems with a weak mayor, right? That Juneau isn't some weird anomaly? -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, Becker doesn't even have her own article at this point, so I'm not sure what you're so wound up about. Her name is mentioned literally once in the article, in the infobox where it belongs. -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In Alaska, the overwhelming majority of mayors are elected by the city council from within its membership, not popularly elected. Such was the case with Bill Walker in Valdez, yet a number of active Wikipedians believe (and by extension, expect readers to believe) that all we really need to know about Walker's prior political career is that he was mayor of Valdez. In that case, this obscures, even buries, his long-standing involvement in the political battle over building a natural gas pipeline and how his activism on the issue as governor could possibly amount to a conflict of interest.

Speaking of burying something, if the mayor's office and its status were something that the world at large really cared about, one would hope that the Juneau Empire would give more prominent coverage on their website to the latest developments. I had no problem finding coverage of the "Shop With a Cop" event at Nugget Mall this past Saturday, yet I couldn't find any coverage of last night's assembly meeting. Fortunately, I tuned into Alaska News Nightly, which did cover the meeting. According to what I heard, there will be a special election in March, Mary Becker is not a candidate in that election, and that she will be allowed to return to her assembly seat once a duly-elected mayor is sworn in to fill the unexpired term. Going by common sense rather than interpretations of the law, that sounds exactly like an acting mayor to me. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Terms like "mayor" (without the "acting" prefix) and "acting mayor" are defined by law. When the legal definition and the common-sense definition conflict in a case where the legal definition clearly applies, we (and the press - at least in more recent reports) go with the legal definition. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But wait, there's more

Sorry if this is taxing the patience of some readers. This article is currently assessed as B-Class. B-Class criteria states "No obvious omissions", which it fails simply by claiming to be about the City and Borough of Juneau while not actually providing an accessible overview of such, in fact shoving off coverage of large parts of the municipality onto list entries in the see also section instead of integrating them into the main article body. Much of our coverage of Alaskan communities is at the level of a POV fork about "the part of town the tourists see" and this is no exception. The government section is a little better off than the article as a whole in terms of breadth of coverage. Still, in the spirit of providing a more accessible overview, I feel there's more to be said.

Kent, Ohio, whose article was a WP:TFA just the other day, is also administered by a manager instead of a mayor. The manager is listed above the mayor in the infobox of that article, plus a much clearer explanation of the difference between the two is provided in the article body than what is found here. I suppose that making a big deal out of a ceremonial mayor (and other figureheads elsewhere) could be useful if the Martians arrive and can't find anyone to "take me to your leader", but that's about the extent of it.

While it's true the CBJ has had a ceremonial mayor for quite some time, sources suggest that it wasn't always the case. This timeline of the Juneau Police Department states "October 5, 1961 – Following a referendum, the strong mayor/council system was returned by the voters and Lauris S. Parker won re-election as Mayor", which implies that Juneau had a strong mayor prior to 1961. This was at roughly the same time as statehood and Juneau's ratification of a home rule charter, as well as Parker's replacement by a succession of acting mayors before returning to the office. I could not find further information about those events here, but that document contains a footnote referring to the 1983 election where the mayor and entire assembly were elected anew, only a year into the incumbent mayor's term. What little information I've come across regarding Bill Overstreet's tenure as mayor suggests that he served as a strong mayor. Lacking any further information or context, these two sources suggest that Juneau had a strong mayor for decades, which makes the current situation not so easy to explain away as being par for the course. That is, unless the objective is to continue the obsessive undue weight given to current or recent events at the expense of more contextually relevant historical events, a problem already rampant across the encyclopedia.

I forget which media outlet did cover the most recent assembly meeting, but the report I heard centered on the debate over a special mayoral election. They mentioned that this year's regular election brought out the second-lowest turnout in the past 30 or so years. Combine that with an incumbent mayor losing reelection by a nearly two-to-one margin to a political nobody, and it really causes one to wonder why we have articles on either Sanford or ~~William Henry Harrison~~Fisk in the first place beyond validating my concern about trivial matters such as their being the mayor of a state capital. If it weren't for my generous attitude about this sort of thing, I would have already sent both articles off to AFD a long time ago. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you proposing that the article be re-assessed as C-class? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad idea. I've been boldly doing such with a lot of other articles on the basis of those articles being under-referenced for B-Class, which could also apply to this article on top of any other issues it has. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it's "almost B-class" then I would recommending fixing the article rather than downgrading it. If it's got lots of deficiencies then downgrade it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the article was assessed at B for both WP Alaska and WP Cities in 2007, back when B-Class criteria may have been different than it is today, again an issue that's hardly limited to a single article. Article assessment obviously tends to be overlooked quite a bit and even deliberately avoided at times. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Founding legend?

You may be interested in this, from Samuel Young's book 'Alaska Days with John Muir.' This extract was written in 1879. "Pushing across the flats at the head of the bay at high tide the next morning (for the narrow, grass-covered flat between[Pg 164] Gastineau Channel and Stevens Passage can only be crossed with canoes at flood tide), we met two old gold prospectors whom I had frequently seen at Wrangell—Joe Harris and Joe Juneau. Exchanging greetings and news, they told us they were out from Sitka on a leisurely hunting and prospecting trip. Asking us about our last camping place, Harris said to Juneau, "Suppose we camp there and try the gravel of that creek." These men found placer gold and rock "float" at our camp and made quite a clean-up that fall, returning to Sitka with a "gold-poke" sufficiently plethoric to start a stampede to the new diggings. Both placer and quartz locations were made and a brisk "camp" was built the next summer. This town was first called Harrisburg for one of the prospectors, and afterwards Juneau for the[Pg 165] other. The great Treadwell gold quartz mine was located three miles from Juneau in 1881, and others subsequently. The territorial capital was later removed from Sitka to Juneau, and the city has grown in size and importance, until it is one of the great mining and commercial centers of the Northwest." Slightly at odds with the founding tale in the article itself, but who knows? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:34F0:C300:21C:B3FF:FEC6:12F7 (talk) 03:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Individual

I graduated in 1999,from Juneau- Douglas High School,along with a couple of really talented athletes. I see that you put 'Carlos Boozer' as a notable person, which he very much was and is!!! But, what about Chad Bentz? He graduated in 1999, as well. He played baseball, and he only had one hand. He's playing on minor league teams in the United States, but he is known as an excellent pitcher. He deserves to be noted as a 'Notable person', in my opinion. That would really hurt me,if I saw Carlos Boozer's name there, and I was an excellent pitcher/baseball player,that had accomplished so much, I'd feel like I'm just far less accomplished and talented than everyone else on the list. Look him up, you'll see why he should be on that list!!! Erinlovesherkids (talk) 11:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Erinlovesherkids. Since Chad Bentz has an article of his own, he is considered notable enough to be on the list. Feel free too add him yourself! (I can do it if you like, but it's your idea, you deserve to make your first article edit.) Just look at how the other list items do it: an * in front, alphabetical order by surname, double square brackets, date of birth in brackets — and you'll be fine. Bishonen | tålk 12:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Presidential results

Not sure why there are two separate tables for presidential elections. One is incomplete and the data does not align with the other. Which is correct? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:01, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]