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A fact from Vanessa Bryant appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Overall: New article is long enough and well sourced, with two cited, interesting hooks. The public domain pic looks good and is in the article. qpq is done and no copyvio detected on earwig. Hopefully this can run during Black History Month. BuySomeApples (talk) 09:09, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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@Bagumba: Bryant was recognized by her supporters for challenging the National Basketball Association culture of tolerance of tomcatting. It was my view that this makes her relevant to the NBA Wikiproject. An aim of that project is to "Create and improve articles whose content is connected to the National Basketball Association organization." I'm curious of your thoughts. TJMSmith (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I originally thought it was added due to her relationship with an NBA player. I am not too familiar with her cultural impact on the league. Unfortunately, the cited source doesn't provide more depth either. If you still feel strongly about her relevance to the project, feel free to get others' opinions at WT:NBA. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Thedarkknightli and @EdJohnston - While the Cupcake Mag website appears to no longer exist, the article seems to be an actual interview with Vanessa herself, which is why I added it. I'm sorry if it's considered a poor quality source, but I assumed archives of now defunct websites would be allowed to be used? Tons of web pages get lost to time but are archived and many Wikipedia articles use archives of now defunct websites/links. FWIW, while the magazine website no longer works, they seem to have functioning social media profiles active to this year, which include an Instagram account[2] and a Facebook page.[3]
It's a blog link, but a lifestyle/baker blogger that they had an interview with showed a bunch of photos of her cover/spread/article with CupcakeMag back in 2014.[4] Unless the whole magazine was a sham, I see no reason to not believe that at some point they actually interviewed Bryant herself.[5]
As for the IP user on the notice board, they stated: If the IP user's claim was verifiable, there would be many other reliable sources to substantiate their claim. and linked an Hola magazine article[6] which actually claims she has British Isles and German heritage as well.[7]Irish, English, German heritage Despite them making repeated edits to say Bryant's heritage is solely Mexican.
Furthermore, while they claimed[8] to have reached out to Cupcake Magazine and that they denied that Bryant has Filipino heritage: Cupcake Magazine leadership has been reached out and asked to verify their claim of her being "Filipino" as IP user claims- they denied it and took down their page, this is not true at all. The whole website itself is now defunct, but I don't know when.
The IP also seemed to be cherrypicking info because they replaced the Cupcakemag archive with an NBC source, but, kept half of the Cupcakemag link which claims she was born "Vanessa Cornejo" and has been "stereotypically linked to every family maiden name under the sun".[9] This is not present in the NBC L.A article. It also doesn't mention the British Isles/German heritage claimed in the Hola magazine article.
IDK who to believe in this situation, since it seems like sources give widely varying accounts of her heritage. She's either fully Mexican, also has Irish/German ancestry, or a purported interview with Bryant herself for a now defunct magazine website states she has Italian and Filipino ancestry as well. The NBC Los Angeles source claims that her mother was a Mexican immigrant,[10] but does not seem to mention anything about where her paternal family came from. So who knows.
Whatever her heritage is, I don't see why it isn't relevant. I'm still also not sure why the archived Cupcake Magazine source which appears to have interviewed her is unsuable. Tons of BLPs list a subject's known/stated heritage. And it's not like people always check-off every single heritage they have. Matt LeBlanc became famous playing an Italian-American character, but his paternal side is French-Canadian and IDK if he's ever played a character of French background. Kamala Harris has some Irish ancestry but that doesn't seem to be as brought up as much like her African-American or Indian heritage. Clear Looking Glass (talk) Clear Looking Glass (talk) 14:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like there is some possibility that Wikipedia might get sued. In such a case we shouldn't be content with extremely lightweight sourcing. Even if our own BLP policy were not so firm on having reliable sources. And overall, the importance of this information to the article is surely little or none. Do we normally try to record the ethnicity of all four grandparents of every famous person? If we believe what the IP wrote, the Cupcake Magazine article was taken down at the request of Vanessa Bryant's representatives. That would indicate that Vanessa Bryant *disagrees* with the claim that she has Filipino ancestry. Do you want to include this claim *against the opposition of the article subject?* That would be very strange. EdJohnston (talk) 18:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that the IP has little knowledge of Wikipedia formatting, and if you notice some statements that come from the Cupcake interview that are still in the article you might consider removing them. EdJohnston (talk) 18:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New article is long enough and well sourced, with two cited, interesting hooks. The public domain pic looks good and is in the article. qpq is done and no copyvio detected on earwig. Hopefully this can run during Black History Month. BuySomeApples (talk) 09:09, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
To T:DYK/P4